Bible Time2008-11-11/21: Morning, Meet Pharaoh.
This date marks the prophetic replay of a meeting with Pharaoh. There is no specific sign that goes with this meeting. The timing is fuzzy, with a wide window for fulfillment. The key aspect of the timing is the next prophetic date lands exactly 30 days later, so finding this headline is key to timing the next headline.
The following is the text and the theoretical timing. Timing is given the word "morning" alone, a 15 day offset from the previous date at 2008-11-06 without the adjective "early" which backs from this date by some imprecise number of days.
17: Morning...
Theoretical Time:
- 12999/11/30 1:1:1 AA
- 2008-11-21 18:00:00 TMMT
- 2008-11-21 15:39:06 GMT
- 2008-11-21 10:39:06 EST
Associated Scripture:
2 Exodus 9:13-17
13And Jehovah said unto Moses, Rise up early in the morning, and stand before Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith Jehovah, the God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
14For I will this time send all my plagues upon thy heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.
15For now I had put forth my hand, and smitten thee and thy people with pestilence, and thou hadst been cut off from the earth:
16but in very deed for this cause have I made thee to stand, to show thee my power, and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
17As yet exaltest thou thyself against my people, that thou wilt not let them go?
When the Pope visited the United States in April of 2008 he, too, was "early" and the fulfillment happened 9 days ahead of theoretical. Fulfillment this time, 9 days ahead, would land on or near November 12, 2008.
Fulfillment: George Bush and Ban Ki Moon
On Thursday, November 13, 2008, George Bush was in New York City to attend a United Nations gathering on Interfaith Dialogue.
The General Secretary's personal schedule indicated a private meeting between him and the US President at 11:00 AM in New York City. His schedule then indicated his attendance on the floor of the UN at 11:15 AM where dignitaries from around the world had gathered for the meeting.
Ban Ki Moon is the Moses figure for the Exodus plagues and until such time as his replacement is sworn in, George Bush is the operating Pharaoh. A meeting between these men is a meeting between Moses and Pharaoh as expected by the text for this date.
The subject of the UN meeting was Interfaith Dialog which is interesting related to the text of the plagues. Pharaoh's faith and the faith of the Israelites were clearly different, and a meeting between Moses and Pharaoh was in ancient Egypt another form of Interfaith Dialog.
Bush's Side
The full text of Bush's speech is here.
The summary paragraph for Bush's side of this was given by the White House as the following:
President Bush on Thursday said, "Freedom is God's gift to every man, woman, and child -- and that freedom includes the right of all people to worship as they see fit. Sixty years ago, members of the United Nations General Assembly acknowledged this truth when we adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Declaration proclaims that everyone has the right to choose or change religions, and the right to worship in private or in public."
The text plays to the Exodus story closely, though there are no direct quotes, as sometimes happen. Pharaoh was repeatedly asked to let the people go so they could worship God in the wilderness, as they saw fit. This sentiment is showing up in Bush's speech.
The text for this prophetic date also hints at Pharaoh (Bush) being cut off as Bush is now a lame duck president. This too is a match.
Ban's Side
Mr. Ban followed President Bush in the order of ceremonies. The following is the summary given on the General Secretary's website. The full text is here.
Living together in peace has proved tragically difficult. We must try harder to bring shared values to life. With knowledge and leadership, we can live up to the best of all our traditions, and ensure human dignity for all.
Of course Ban is thinking about religious wars between countries, but he, too has a word play on the Plagues by his use of the words tragically difficult.
Timing
Theoretical time for this headline is 10:39 AM in New York City where these meetings were held. The White House press release indicated that Bush began his speech at 11:00 AM and that it was 6:00 minutes long, followed by applause.
Ban Ki Moon followed, with a reference back to Bush's opening remarks. His personal schedule indicated a private meeting with Bush at 11:00 AM, and the the full general assembly meeting at 11:15. Though this was the planned timing for the day, not an actual record of what happened.
Chances are the private meeting was held in the few minutes ahead of 11:00 AM, as the White House's version of the meeting suggests. Either way, the meeting between these men was extremely close to the theoretical 10:39 AM expected fulfillment time.
This strongly supports a prophetic fulfillment for the Plague of Hail on or very close to 10:39 AM EST on December 13, 2008.
Other Possible Fulfillments
There were several other candidate fulfillment headlines that appeared in headline news in the days surrounding the Primary Fulfillmeng given above. What follows are those headlines.
Candidate Fulfillment: Obama visits Bush
On Monday, November 10, 2008, after flying to Washington DC for the day, Barack Obama and his wife visited the White House. This was their first chance to see the private Presidential quarters on the upper floors of the White House. This was also a time to begin to discuss the various presidential transition issues so that presidential power could transition smoothly.
This was the earliest this presidential transition meeting had ever been held, playing directly to the text expecting an "early" meeting with Pharaoh.
On the next day, Tuesday, November 11, 2008, the news media erupted with news of squabbles between the men. Seems there is a presidential tradition that things spoken between presidents in private, remain private. This squabble may be more important than the direct meeting, and highlights the idea that George Bush is in series of traditional Pharaohs, and that Obama is somehow quite different.
Candidate Fulfilment: Bush to NYC and Interpid Rededication
On Tuesday, November 11, 2008, President Bush traveled to New York City in order to rededicate the Intrepid Air Craft Carrier stored there in a museum. The ship had just finished 2 years of extensive overhauls and had been returned to its museum moorings.
The event was timed with Veterans Day, which may also be referenced in the Bible's text for the day.
If this is the correct fulfillment headline then the text says that the nation of the United States was preserved through war so that God could show his power to the nation. Interesting twist on this passage.
This is the better of the fulfillments given the Pope's April travel. As a match to this general date he visited Yankee Stadium. His visit was in the last season, a new stadium takes over next season. The refurbished Intrepid is of similar size and scope.
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